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THEN MAHAMATI ASKED the Blessed one: Pray tell us, Blessed One, about the five Dharmas, so that we may
fully understand Perfect Knowledge?

The Blessed One replied: The five Dharmas are: appearance, name, discrimination, right-knowledge and
Reality. By appearance is meant that which reveals itself to the senses and to the discriminating-mind and is
perceived as form, sound, odour, taste, and touch. Out of these appearances ideas are formed, such as clay,
water, jar, etc., by which one says: this is such and such a thing and is no other,--this is name. When
appearances are contrasted and names compared, as when we say: this is an elephant, this is a horse, a cart,
a pedestrian, a man, a woman, or, this is mind and what belongs to it,--the things thus named are said to be
discriminated. As these discriminations come to be seen as mutually conditioning, as empty of self-substance,
as un-born, and thus come to be seen as they truly are, that is, as manifestations of the mind itself,--this
is right-knowledge. By it the wise cease to regard appearances and names as realities.

When appearances and names are put away and all discrimination ceases, that which remains is the true and
essential nature of things and, as nothing can be predicated as to the nature of essence, it is called the
"Suchness" of Reality. This universal, undifferentiated,

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inscrutable, "Suchness" is the only Reality but it is variously characterised as Truth, Mind-essence,
Transcendental Intelligence, Noble Wisdom, etc. This Dharma of the imagelessness of the Essence-nature of
Ultimate Reality is the Dharma which has been proclaimed by all the Buddhas, and when all things are
understood in full agreement with it, one is in possession of Perfect Knowledge, and is on his way to the
attainment of the Transcendental Intelligence of the Tathagatas.

THEN MAHAMATI SAID to the Blessed One: Are the three self-natures, of things, ideas, and Reality, to be
considered as included in the Five Dharmas, or as having their own characteristics complete in
themselves.

The Blessed One replied: The three self-natures, the eightfold mind-system, and the twofold egolessness
are all included in the Five Dharmas. The self-natures of things, of ideas, and of the sixfold mind-system,
correspond with the Dharmas of appearance, name and discrimination; the self-nature of Universal Mind and
Reality corresponds to the Dharmas of right-knowledge and "Suchness."

By becoming attached to what is seen of the mind itself, there is an activity awakened which is
perpetuated by habit-energy that becomes manifest in the mind-system. From the activities of the mind-system
there rises the notion of an ego-soul and its belongings; the discriminations, attachments, and notion of an
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rising simultaneously like the sun and its rays of light.

By the egolessness of things is meant that the elements that make up the aggregates of personality and its
objective world being characterised by the nature of maya and destitute of anything that can be called
ego-substance, are therefore un-born and have no self-nature. How can things be said to have an ego-soul? By
the egolessness of persons is meant that in the aggregates that make up personality there is no
ego-substance, nor anything that is like ego-substance nor that belongs to it. The mind-system, which is the
most characteristic mark of personality, originated in ignorance, discrimination, desire and deed; and its
activities are perpetuated by perceiving, grasping and becoming attached to objects as if they were real. The
memory of these discriminations, desires, attachments and deeds is stored in Universal Mind since
beginningless time, and is still being accumulated where it conditions the appearance of personality and its
environment and brings about constant change and destruction from moment to moment. The manifestations are
like a river, a seed, a lamp, a cloud, the wind; Universal mind in its voraciousness to store up everything,
is like a monkey never at rest, like a fly ever in search of food and without partiality, like a fire that is
never satisfied, like a water-lifting machine that goes on rolling. Universal mind as defiled by habit-energy
is like a magician that causes phantom things and people to appear and move about. A thorough understanding
of these things is necessary to an understanding of the egolessness of persons.

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There are four kinds of Knowledge: Appearance-knowledge, relative-knowledge, perfect-knowledge, and
Transcendental Intelligence. Appearance-knowledge belongs to the ignorant and simple-minded who are addicted
to the notion of being and non-being, and who are frightened at the thought of being unborn. It is produced
by the concordance of the triple combination and attaches itself to the multiplicities of objects; it is
characterised by attainability and accumulation; it is subject to birth and destruction. Appearance-knowledge
belongs to word-mongers who revel in discriminations, assertions and negations.

Relative-knowledge belongs to the mind-world of the philosophers. It rises from the mind's ability to
consider the relations which appearances bear to each other and to the mind considering them, it rises from
the mind's ability to arrange, combine and analyse these relations by its powers of discursive logic and
imagination, by reason of which it is able to peer into the meaning and significance of things.

Perfect-knowledge belongs to the world of the Bodhisattvas who recognise that all things are but
manifestations of mind; who clearly understand the emptiness, the un-bornness, the egolessness of all things;
and who have entered into an understanding of the Five Dharmas, the twofold egolessness, and into the truth
of imagelessness. Perfect-knowledge differentiates the Bodhisattva stages, and is
the pathway and the entrance into the exalted state of self-realisation of Noble Wisdom.

Perfect-knowledge (jnana) belongs to the Bodhisattvas who are entirely free from the dualisms of
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and non-being, no-birth and no-annihilation, all assertions and negations, and who, by reason of
self-realisation, have gained an insight into the truths of egolessness and imagelessness. They no longer
discriminate the world as subject to causation: they regard the causation that rules the world as something
like the fabled city of the Gandharvas. To them the world is like a vision and a dream, it is like the birth
and death of a barren-woman's child; to them there is nothing evolving and nothing disappearing.

The wise who cherish Perfect-knowledge, may be divided into three classes: disciples, masters and Arhats.
Common disciples are separated from masters as common disciples continue to cherish the notion of
individuality and generality; masters rise from common disciples when, forsaking the error of individuality
and generality, they still cling to the notion of an ego-soul by reason of which they go off by themselves
into retirement and solitude. Arhats rise when the error of all discrimination is realised. Error being
discriminated by the wise turns into Truth by virtue of the "turning-about" that takes place within the
deepest consciousness. Mind, thus emancipated, enters into perfect self-realisation of Noble Wisdom.

But, Mahamati, if you assert that there is such a thing as Noble Wisdom, it no longer holds good,
because anything of which something is asserted thereby partakes of the nature of being and is thus
characterised with the quality of birth. The very assertion: "All things are un-born" destroys the
truthfulness of it. The same is true of the statements: "All things are empty," and "All things have no
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are untenable when put in the form of assertions. But when it is pointed out that all things are like a
dream and a vision, it means that in one way things are perceived, and in another way they are not perceived;
that is, in ignorance they are perceived but in Perfect-knowledge they are not perceived. All assertions and
negations being thought-constructions are un-born. Even the assertion that Universal Mind and Noble Wisdom
are Ultimate Reality, is thought construction and, therefore, is un-born. As "things" there is no Universal
Mind, there is no Noble Wisdom, there is no Ultimate Reality. The insight of the wise who move about in the
realm of imagelessness and its solitude is pure. That is, for the wise all "things" are wiped away and even
the state of imagelessness ceases to exist.